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 Post subject: what were the early FOTN influences?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:22 pm 
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Been trying to find out what bands inspired FOTN, first three albums. Heard they liked Magazine and seen references to early Pink Floyd. Does anyone know anything different? Thanks! :wink:


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On the Last Rite's former website Nod Wright mentioned "Echo & The Bunnymen".

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Motörhead

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Motorhead, no way-surely you jest! Don't know any Echo and the Bunnymen.. Bits of One of These Days by Pink Floyd from Meddle is similar to FoTN, maybe it's not. It certainly ain't Motorhead. Didn't Dave Gilmour play on Psychonaut? And was Elizium not produced by a Pink Floyd person?


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And was Elizium not produced by a Pink Floyd person?
Yepp. That was Andy Jackson.

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I hear The Doors & Velvet Underground in early Nephs material.


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Of course Ennio Morricone is not a band


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Of course Ennio Morricone is not a band


No, was he not a cowboy?


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Motorhead, no way-surely you jest!

Know the song called Phobia? :P

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Yeah go on then Phobia? ......


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On the Last Rite's former website Nod Wright mentioned "Echo & The Bunnymen".



Who in turn were much influenced by Joy Division, who they supported. Things have a tendancy to go round !

In "Burning the Field", there's someting of Mc Culloch's bombast IMHO, though it did not last…

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angry bob wrote:
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Motorhead, no way-surely you jest!


I'm with Angry Bob on this one - listen to the first few bars of Ace of Spades then put on Phobia and it will become clear!


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Phobia sounds more like Crimewatch than Ace of Spades. Check out the drums...


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foreverremain wrote:
Ngie wrote:
Of course Ennio Morricone is not a band


No, was he not a cowboy?


I don't know. But as an Italian he is a spaghetti eater :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao4TIiziT-g


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Ngie wrote:
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Ngie wrote:
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No, was he not a cowboy?
I don't know. But as an Italian he is a spaghetti eater :lol:
Oh! Italian! Be careful! I've been told that "Italian cowboys" want insist to be called Buttero, because "Which cowboy wants to be called an American buttero?"

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Italian spaghetti eater, lol :D

I've also read, and this is off the internet so might not be true, that at the time of recording The Nephilim Carl was listening to string quartets and nothing else. I don't know of course, does anyone else?

Italian cowboys... :)


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markandre13 wrote:
"Which cowboy wants to be called an American buttero?"


For sure! In America the word Buttero is known before anything as a brand of rags. http://americanrag.com/collections/vendors?q=BUTTERO
I admit that before you mentioned it I didn't know it either. Thanks by the way for this interesting reference which made me bounce into Marenne world.

There is a legend about butteri : http://www.leschevauxdusud.com/films-20 ... es-butteri

'of rags and bone' immediatly relies to the look of a scarecrow https://www.facebook.com/FieldsOfTheNephilim
also the word in French for scarecrow is 'epouvantail' from 'epouvante'=terror which makes a scarecrow synonymous of terrorizer. 

Bottero appears in a list of top of the range brands of clothes for men along with other names such as Black Dandy and Black label..er Lapel.

:arrow: foreverremain : I didn't know of Carl listenning to string quartets. Did you mean jazz or classical chamber music?

Western Spaghetti is a sarcasm used in the film industry to call the category of those Sergio Leone films about American cowboys made by an Italian film maker and filmed in Europe(mostly Spain).

A fun recipe here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBjLW5_dGAM

I like this sentence from an E.Morricone biograpy: «Morricone began writing film scores in the early 1960's, but he first distinguished himself in the western field. »

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/alb ... n_overview


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Truth is during Nephilim album time Carl was already under influence of death metal/industrial/experimental music. He wanted the band to sound darker, heavier and more chaotic. The real problems with Carl's musical inclinations appeared when working on Psychonaut single. He wanted it to be faster, more dynamic, ya know kinda speed metally, like stuff with that double bass drumming thingy. It would go great with Tony's legendary bass line, he thought. But the climax of all the differences in approach to what band should sound like was reached when working on Elizium album. To go through all this slow dreamy stuff for Carl was a real torture. He couldn't bear it anymore. Soon he was about to explode...

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Western Spaghetti is a sarcasm used in the film industry to call the category of those Sergio Leone films about American cowboys made by an Italian film maker and filmed in Europe(mostly Spain).



BTW I always thought that, in all fairness, when Hollywood diddled with European medieval times (often with desastrous results, see "Lancelot"), it should be called med-burger… :mrgreen:

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Magazine and echo and the bunnymen are some amazing bands!!!

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